There are hard facts, and then there are agenda facts. This dude has a kung-fu grip on the former.
smart is so sexy
What excuse does he give for glossing over the fact that the UK’s murder rate is still much lower than ours?
Also, “violent crimes” doesn’t equate to “gun violence.” Just because there’s been a drop in the rates of burglaries, robberies, rapes, beatings, and all the other things covered by the umbrella of “violent crime” doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try to lower it even more.
Do you believe guns will do just that?
In the video he shows that the larger number of highly concentrated populations accounts for many of the gun deaths. Or didn’t you really watch it?
Large metropolitan areas with gun control laws obviously not respected by the citizenry not obeying said laws. Arm innocents and criminals think twice. Logic.
Britain’s murder rate has been lower than the USA’s for centuries. Gun laws have zero effect on those numbers.
Also, if one discounts the murders committed by just 4% of a specific demographic that commits over half the murders in the USA, the rates between the two countries would be essentially the same.
Apparently, Democrats don’t mind mass murder when it is perpetrated by young black male constituents between the ages of 16 and 24.
Population size difference? Nah, could’nt be!
Hope to see a followup from you. You will be drilling down some more…right?
Spread the facts. #SpeakTruthToMorons.
WWBD? What Would Breitbart Do?
“Also, if one discounts the murders committed by just 4% of a specific demographic that commits over half the murders in the USA, the rates between the two countries would be essentially the same.”
So you are saying that murders committed by black people in the USA should not count in US stats, but murders committed by black people in the UK should?
“Apparently, Democrats don’t mind mass murder when it is perpetrated by young black male constituents between the ages of 16 and 24.”
Do you have anything that bears even a passing resemblance to evidence to back up that statement?
Find a Democrat leaning national news agency report on the 2112 Chicago murder rate.
And while you’re frantically looking for any mention of the Chicago bloodbath from ABC, NBC, MSNBC, or CNN, please show how black on black murder affects the homicide rate in Britain.
I have a hunch Britons of color are no more violent than anyone else in the country.
Odd that none of these questions are about how such a small percentage of a population could be responsible for so much death.
Odd how foreign socialists leap to the side of the American Democrat party whenever the chance arises.
Oh look mad cow change his name again. I find it funny that he tries to turn this into a race thing when it is not. They do that when they have no facts to bring and also ignores that they have a higher violent crime rate even without guns and we have a bigger population. Your population is 53,013,000 compared to the US which is 311,591,917 so of course we will always have a higher murder rate but that is ok keep comparing number that are not the same and saying we are better than you. Yah real fair comparison comparing us to the country smaller than New York State nothing weird going on here just the left trying to find a country with no guns that is smaller so it looks better for their augment. Funny thing is they still have more violent crimes gee I wonder why maybe because no one can protect themselves.
Corran, you are quite astonishingly stupid.
1. What on Earth makes you think that the size of a population has anything to do with the murder rate? You do know what the word ‘rate’ means, don’t you?
2. U.k. population is 63.2 million.
3. U.K. does not have a higher crime rate than America. The definition of what constitutes a violent crime in the UK is very different.
The UK violent crime definition includes common assault — simple assault, no injuries, the lowest level of assault. The US rate does not. U.K. crime survey data shows that 37% of the “violent crimes” reported were “common assault (no injury)”.
The UK definition of violent crime includes all “sexual offences”. The US definition includes only “forcible rape”.
8% of the recorded crime figure for violent crimes in the UK is “other violence”. Where is that in the US figures?
15% of the recorded crime figure for violent crimes the UK is “harassment”.
5% of the UK survey-reported crime is “snatch theft” as distinct from “robbery”.
Yes, we all read it here.
British violence isn’t actual violence. It’s all just a prissy snit of a slap fight between very cross twits over the red crayon.
So the crime rate in Britain really hasn’t effectively skyrocketed since the evil guns were banned.
Everyone over there has just gotten crankier and out of sorts, really.
Quote Deee Dubyaaaaaah
“Find a Democrat leaning national news agency report on the 2112 Chicago murder rate.”
Why should I? Why is this relevant to our debate?
Nice try at a red herring though.
“And while you’re frantically looking for any mention of the Chicago bloodbath from ABC, NBC, MSNBC, or CNN….”
errrr, I’m not, see my previous answer.
“…please show how black on black murder affects the homicide rate in Britain.”
There is no such thing as black-on-black murder in Britain. Only murder.
“I have a hunch Britons of color are no more violent than anyone else in the country.”
Of course! You have a hunch!!!!!!
Good luck with that.
“Odd that none of these questions are about how such a small percentage of a population could be responsible for so much death.”
Well, at a guess I would say it’s because they are on the bottom wrung of a viciously racist society where 54% of the dominant race have a negative view of them, and where they are forced to go to schools in grim slums, where demoralised teachers are too busy jigging their stats to conform to idiotic ‘no child left behind’ laws to actually teach. Black delinquent children are massively more likely to be expelled from school and have a criminal record than white delinquent children.
Then of course they have the streets, which are ruled by gangs such that joining a gang is an imperative if you want to live past your 18th birthday. So no job, no prospects, people turn to drug crime to earn a living, which by definition is violent. Millions of African Americans are then incarcerated meaning they lose any chance of ever having a career or even a say in how society is managed.
Then we have the well-known correlation between poverty and violent crime, every 1% increase in poverty leads to a 2.57% increase in violent crime (Taylor, 2006). Work out how many percent African American males are poorer than white males and we have significant factor right there.
Then we have mental illness, poverty leads to increased levels of mental illness, which in turn leads to higher crime rates. 56.2% of all American inmates are mentally ill as of 2006, a rise of 400% over the previous ten years. American prisons are now the leading institutions combating mental illness in the USA. A situation they are neither trained, equipped, prepared or funded for.
Then there is the correlation between lead and violent crime. Lead in the atmosphere causes irreparable damage to children’s brains, leading to reduced I.Q., increased levels of conditions such as Dyslexia, and violent behaviour. Children in urban environments are exposed to much higher levels of lead toxicity due to their closer proximity to cars, lead paint and heavy industry. Nevin (2007) has demonstrated that there is a 23 year gap between efforts to reduce lead levels in gasoline and a fall in violent crime rates.
“All the pieces fit, and all the pieces matter” – Lester Freamon
“Odd how foreign socialists leap to the side of the American Democrat party whenever the chance arises.”
You show me where, and I’ll sort ‘em out for you.
It’s the least I could do.
It can’t find any significant mention of sky high death rates from any of the propaganda houses so it waves its magic wand. Why, it’s as if the press really shouldn’t be reporting the carnage.
And then writes an excuse laden screed that blames it all on whitey.
You can always tell when a foreign socialist isn’t coming to the aid of the Democrat’s culture of dumbassery and artificial perpetuation of a sub class of human beings kept as voting pets.
They waste all kinds of time typing a whole lot of nothing.
I am not even going to talk to him he is blowing smoke out of his ass and calling it facts with no proof and he actually thinks that population has nothing to do with a higher crime rate. Point and laugh he does not know math.
It guesses badly from under its bridge half a world away because it can’t find instructions on what to think from any of its approved narrative sources.
It’s a purposeful blind spot on the part of its masters.
“I am not even going to talk to him he is blowing smoke out of his ass and calling it facts with no proof and he actually thinks that population has nothing to do with a higher crime rate. Point and laugh he does not know math.”
Listen you useless fucking imbecile, I tried to give you an ‘out’ but you fucked even that up, so now I’m going to have to give it to you straight.
Murder and crime rates are given as number of cases per 100,000 population. That’s what the word “rate” means. So the higher murder rate in the USA is nothing to do with population, it’s to do with the fact that an American citizen is four times more likely to be murdered than citizens in the UK because the rate per 100,000 population is four times higher.
Do you finally get it now you dim-witted twat? Or do I have to explain it to you in words of only one syllable?
Who exactly should we be pointing and laughing at?
Ok so I see that I am going to have to really dumb things down for you because you have such a slow mind and can’t even grasp simple logic then I will leave alone and let your small useless brain blow up because you refuse to see reality. Now if fox news came out with a poll asking if we should ban guns in the United States and they used a 30 to 1 ratio 30 conservative per every liberal are you really going to trust that poll? Using your logic you would because the big number does not affect the outcome of the results or that is what you’re saying with population. Look at it this way we have more cities than you do we have more people than you do which would mean more crime why because there is more assholes to do the crimes which turns out sometimes these assholes murder people but let also ignore the fact there is more crime in the cities their there is in the country side and seeing we have more cities than you and most of the cities banned guns like Chicago which has a bigger murder rate than the any other city in the U.S. but let’s ignore facts because socialist find out it is not helping them take people’s rights and shove it out the window but fear and no facts work well for your evil deeds.
Oh since I am on the topic of Marxism I would love to point out some things like how many deaths Marxism is responsible for. See you Marxist have funny habit of killing everyone that disagrees with you drug induced plans of running a government. See you guys killed since Marxs came up with his idea is well over a hundred million people men women and children. Millions of Jews Christians and others who stand against your system of stupidity for morons but I don’t see you trying to ban Marxism. Why do you hate over a hundred million people and how evil and heartless you must be. Also I assume you are anti-Semitic as well. By the way let me add one more thing you keep saying Jesus is a socialist who he is not but there is a Biblical figure that is a socialist and he is called the anti-Christ. Daniel 11:24: When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his fore fathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot, and wealth among his followers. He will plot to over fortresses.
Sounds more socialist than what Jesus followers that knew his teaching from front to back said.
2 Corinthians 9:7
Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
But I guess the truth is a concept you cannot understand and that is why Marxism or what like to call it Mad Maxism because of what it turns a country into. I guess if you believe in a lie you have to make up stuff to get your point across. So I am done with you because I know for a fact you are just going to bring the same crap up over and over again then until I get broad with arguing with a half ass debater you are going to go all Charlie Sheen and declare yourself a winner even tho you did not prove any of your idiotic claims and everyone just got sick of talking to a brick wall. So have fun with yourself delusion of grandeur while the rest of us live in reality.
Deee Duyah. More smoke and mirrors from you.
Those last two “posts” from you can’t even make sense even to you, let alone someone with a functioning brain.
When you don’t have an answer, the best solution is to say nothing, just posting gibberish like this does’t make you look clever, it just exposes you as the pseudo-intellectual charlatan that you are.
> “When you don’t have an answer, the best solution is to say nothing, just posting gibberish like this does’t make you look clever,”
Right after posting this lengthy spew of nothing.
> “Well, at a guess I would say …..”
Excruciatingly self oblivious.
It can’t begin to grasp the direct link between a glaring lack of narrative on the chosen topic and its own feeble guesses.
Note the repeated use of the all powerful magic wand of dismissal and the braying accusations of transgressions it has itself committed in plain view.
Media inflicted ignorance results in comically moronic measures taken by the obediently blind.
Proof Democrats don’t care about the bloodbath in Democrat controlled inner cities?
Lack of proof that they do care.
There is none.
Buttdongle the Blithering knows this and won’t even go there.
There is no national outcry from the Liberal Media giants. There is no plan to fix the problem.
There is only previously failed, empty efforts to steal an imaginary class of rifle from law abiding citizens that has nothing to do with the levels of violence the culture of liberal derp-ass has created.
“Proof Democrats don’t care about the bloodbath in Democrat controlled inner cities?
Lack of proof that they do care.”
That’s because Democrats are by-and-large racists like you, Deeee Dubyah.
“There is no plan to fix the problem.”
and what’s yours?
The narrative I’m getting here is that Dee Dubyah and Corran have nothing left to say. Just read their posts from yesterday – a complete incoherent mess. They are just determined to have the last word, even when they can think of nothing to say, and clearly have no response to my arguments.
For Corran’s sake I hope he was drunk or stoned when he wrote that last pile of stinking shit masquerading as a rant, because if he was sober, his problems are even deeper than I thought.
This is coming from the guy who thinks that everyone that has Native American ancestry has to have red skin and high cheek bones racist. Why are you covering up the deaths of over a hundred million people that your brother Marxists are responsible for? Why not ban Marxism? Why are you being such a hypocrite mad cow? Don’t you want to protect the children that Marxist killed in cold blood? By the way don’t pretend that you did not understand what I wrote you are just a coward that does not want to debate murders that Marxism is responsible for which is over a hundred million people and you have nothing to back up your clams loser.
CORRAN – FFS JUST STOP LYING WILL YOU?
Do you understand the difference between truth and lies? Or fantasy and reality?
You are not of Native American blood, you know that, I know that, everyone here knows that. Just stop this nonsense.
If you genuinely believe that last rant of yours makes any kind of sense at all, you are one sick puppy.
Seek psychiatric help would be my advice, there must be a teacher at your school who can help you find it, most schools have that facility these days. Just go to the relevant teacher and tells them you are having paranoid delusional fantasies and are losing track with reality.
Why do you support the mass murders of Marxism? Why are you covering up the deaths of over a hundred million people that your brother Marxists are responsible for? Why not ban Marxism? Why are you being such a hypocrite mad cow? Don’t you want to protect the children that Marxist killed in cold blood?
In the end, all it can do is concede the point, throw the race card, wag its little weenie all over the thread, and bray over rebuttals.
The plan to expose the dirt Democrats sweep under the carpet to plenty of sunlight at every possible opportunity is right under its nose.
Regardless of what leftists believe, willful obtusity is not a virtue.
he does not want to ban Marxism that killed over a hundred million people men women and children but yet he wants to ban all guns gee I wonder if his hypocrisy is natural as it sounds or was it hammered into him by some Marxist professor with mental issues.
Corran, seek help before it’s too late.
Dee Dubyah. I know you are not the shiniest apple on the tree, but I am going to attempt to make you understand this one last time, and I’m going to attempt to do this in terms so simplistic that EVEN YOU should be able to understand what I am saying.
1. I am not a Democrat.
2. I am not a Liberal
3. I am a Socialist
(Still with me so far Dee Dubh? I’m not going too fast for you? EXCELLENT! Let’s continue. Concentrate hard now.)
4. I don’t give a kipper’s dick about the fucking Democrats, or what they say or what they think.
5. Democrats and/or Liberals tend to be weak minded individuals who do not understand the importance of class warfare.
6. Democrats support the Status Quo, (albeit with a couple of minor tweaks of no real consequence).
(Still with me Deee Dubyaaahhh – I know this is a lot for your likkel brain to cope with, but I am here after all to educate you – let’s crack on shall we?)
7. In terms of class warfare (which you will recall from previous conversations the Rich declared on the poor in America when they elected their puppet Ronnie Reagan) you are part of the problem or part of the solution.
8. So Liberals in seeking to maintain the existing status quo are part of the problem.
9. Come the glorious revolution I’ll be as happy to put Democrats up against the wall, as I would you or the Koch brothers.
10. If there’s anything you still don;t understand let me know. I’m here to help you. Think of me as your guide, your prophet and your guru on your road to Socialism.
Why do you hate children? Why do you support the mass murders of Marxism? Why are you covering up the deaths of over a hundred million people that your brother Marxists are responsible for? Why not ban Marxism? Why are you being such a hypocrite mad cow? Don’t you want to protect the children that Marxist killed in cold blood?
> “Odd how foreign socialists leap to the side of the American Democrat party whenever the chance arises.”
Odd how it thinks nobody can read the rest of the thread.
Odd how it believes typing disassociated garbage changes anything already written in this discussion.
At least we now have proof it can count to ten.
Dee Dubyah, when you’ve got nothing meaningful left to say, say nothing.
Managed to log on to my next-door neighbours WiFi, which means I was able to view this video just now for the first time. Trying to ignore the guy’s irritating whiney/needy voice and concentrate on what he was actually saying proved to be quite difficult, but when I did the guy proved to be a laugh a minute.
He starts off saying he doesn’t trust people’s choice of data sources or use of that data when trying to make a political point, but then goes on to randomly cherry-pik two dates (without any explanation) to prove a political point!
He goes on to say that nobody is taking credit for this 50% drop in violent crimes, a simple Google search on the subject reveals 48.9 million results (!) with page after page of analysis of why this is happening and who should take credit!
Then he unearths the old canard about England Wales’s violent crime rates being higher than America’s. It isn’t. The definitions of what constitute violent crime in England and the USA are totally different. (I listed some of the more obvious differences upthread.)
Now despite his gerrymandering he is still left with a problem, the murder rate in the USA (lots of guns) is four times higher than in the UK (gun possession illegal.) So how does he parley that? Well, that’s difficult to say because his argument is confused and incoherent.
He starts off by telling us that murder rates are higher in urban areas greater than 250,000 people. Now America, he says, has many times more urban areas than the UK (quite why this would affect the murder RATE – rather than the volume of murders he fails to explain) and therefor that’s why America’s murder rate is higher! Apparently because murder is more common in American urban areas it must be same in the UK too (though he provides no evidence to back this assertion up).
But it gets worse, he tells us that jobs and education are the keys to lowering the murder rate in urban areas. No argument from me there, I have already shown upthread how every 1% increase in poverty leads to a 2.7% increase in violent crime. However does this explain the different murder rates in the two countries? After all, it was his assertion that the greater number of urban areas in the USA was the cause of America’s higher murder rate. Well…. No. In both countries inequality has risen sharply since the days of Reaganomics and Thatcherism, and overall level of poverty is close to the same at 24% of the USA population living in poverty and 22% in the UK (using the E.U. definition of poverty as people earning 60% or less of national mean income.) So different levels of poverty or people living in urban areas cannot explain the massive difference in murder rates. There can only be one other conclusion, the one he doesn’t want us to believe, that guns translate similar violent crime rates into massively higher murder rates.
Now if what Brandon says is really true, that this laughable little video is “One of the Most Important Anti-Gun Control Videos You’ll Ever See”, then your arguments are truly fucked.
“…confused and incoherent.”
Note the obsession, the compulsion, and the excruciating repetition with which it types.
It really does want to take our guns away quite badly by the looks of the sheer ass tonnage of verbage its generating. And thanks to the sick confession typed indelibly above, we now know the actual reason why.
> “Come the glorious revolution I’ll be as happy to put Democrats up against the wall, as I would you or the Koch brothers.”
It can continue to incessantly muddle through the handful of talking points its been given, but the cat cannot be put back in the bag. The farcical charade is now over.
Note the the inclusion of American Democrat’s favorite boogeymen in its murderous wish list.
*** Note the inclusion…
Learn to type fat boy.
Suddenly, it doesn’t want to talk about itself quite as much as it did earlier.
I’m actually very tall and lean. But, since reality means nothing to muddled puppets of the firing squad fantasy team, go fuck yourself, killah.
“I’m actually very tall and lean.”
errr no you are not, I’ve seen your photo.
…and I’m happy to talk about me as much as you would like. What would you like to discuss?
After you get done with the D.W.Robinson fantasy you’re busy having, let’s hear more about this firing squad fantasy of yours.
Tell us how long you’ve had this desire to execute millions and what it is that prevents you from acting on it.
Isn’t it just like a psychopathic socialist to mentally construct an entire fantasy around a miniscule amount of unverified evidence?
The really funny part is, these flimsy mental constructs usually pass their intellectual requirements for a dimwitted version of reality.
It’s what they have to do to maintain their muddled belief in a proven ideological failure.
You know, kinda like mass murder is needed to maintain it, too.
You know what is real creepy about this he claims to know what we look like? Maybe we should turn him on stocking. He claims to have photos of us after all how else would he have got them. I also find it odd that for someone that claims to be a big business owner he but yet has to bum off his neighbors Wi-Fi. Does not seem like a truthful statement does it mad cow. How much did you clam to make a year? LOL! I also find it hypocritical of him making fun of my grammar when he can’t even spell the simple word neighbors. I wonder if he is ever going to tell the truth now that we know he so called life story full of shit.
“After you get done with the D.W.Robinson fantasy you’re busy having, let’s hear more about this firing squad fantasy of yours.”
Don’t worry Dee Dubyah, lead travels faster than sound, you won’t hear a thing.
Last I heard, I’m the only one between the two of us who is armed.
Funny how that works out.
My Top 5 list of people who should be first up against the wall come the glorious day of the glorious worker’s revolution.
1. People who say “can I get …..” when asking for something in a cafe or pub.
2. Drivers on traffic islands who don’t bother indicating, like we are supposed to know telepathically which exit they are going to take.
3. James Delingpole
4. People in supermarket checkouts (and I have to say 80% of the time it’s women) who wait till the amount is wrung-up and the person behind the till says “That’ll be 238 pounds and 48 pence please.” And THEN and ONLY then, they start rummaging around in their bags looking for their wallet, like it’s a total fucking amazing surprise that they are expected to pay for their groceries. Worst still, the ones who then produce a check-book and start laboriously filling out a fucking check. “Should this be made out to the Co-Op or the Co-Operative Society?” Aaaaaaaaarrrgghhhhhh…
5. Football colour commentators who end every phrase with “…for me.” As in “Suarez should have scored from there, for me” Or “The goalkeeper was out of position there, for me” Those people can fuck right off, for me.
No wonder it rails against the Misfits.
Not enough mass execution jokes.
Jokes? What jokes?
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