As an evil conservative, one of my roles is to take the Left’s current idiocy, flip it around on them, and then smack them in the face with it. Try it sometime, it’s fun.
We all know that the Left has taken a very straightforward violation of the first amendment (particularly the religious liberty part) and morphed it into an argument about women’s health issues. In their view, churches who have been morally opposed to preventing conception are wrong and the government should force them, literally, to fund a brand spanking new right called “birth control.” As Mary Chastain has pointed out, there are non-medical ways to accomplish “birth control.” It’s been 11 years since I had to take pre-Cana classes (that’s what Catholics have to do before they get married), but I know the church (specifically, the Catholic Church) recommends the “rhythm method” Mary elaborated on. The Left is running around saying conservatives are against birth control. It’s a lie. Conservatives are against the government forcing people who don’t agree with medically induced birth control to pay for it. Again, a very straightforward religious liberty issue.
But since we’re playing the “it’s about health care so the government can violate religious liberty” game, it is my turn.
Studies have shown that Religion leads to healthier people.
The observation is real — people who attend religious services regularly tend to live longer. The tough question is, why? It may be simply that people who attend religious services tend to have more social and financial resources than non-attendees, or it could be that something about attending religious services (like making connections with others, prayer, or spiritual reflection) helps people to live longer. You’ll have to decide for yourself.
Of course, as conservatives, we believe that people should decide for themselves. This is the whole point. We – as members of a church, or individually – should be allowed to decide if religion is for us or not. But in the Leftist worldview, the government can make this decision for us.
Sooo…. Based on the fact that we’ve observed that people who follow religion tend to be healthier and live longer lives, under Obamacare the government can decide – just like it has with forcing religious organizations – to force people who are morally opposed to religion to buck up and start going to church. It’s good for them.
That’s right, atheists. Under ObamaCare, someone at the Department of Health and Human Services can one day decide to make you go to church – your only choice will be which church to go to.
Chew on that one.
RB First of I want to tell you that inspite of the companionship in the pic the photo of that crucifix is unusually inspiring….rather like one I own..or owns me….
Has any one or organization threatened you to remove it ..pal they better not…lol
Your turnaround idea may one day come to existence if we do not rid ourselves of this……
waste of human flesh occupying the white house……
Because as you are aware of I’m sure “there is no god but allah” and though it has not been generally accepted (but admitted by him-RECORDED) this bho is a muslim and should worse come to worse….
well you know were I’m headed w/this…. In the meantime we still do have our freedom and exercise it as we wish…Thank God…lol
BTW….HOPEFULLY BHO IS A ONE TERMer…….Please God…!
You know, if they are going to demand free contraception to all so the Whitney Houston Charlie Sheen wings of the Democrat Party can keep screwing without consequences, they better start providing free prostitutes to all.
‘Cause ‘erybody can’t get their groove on whene’r they want to.
Bitches.
Just give the left free birth control so that we would have less left wingers.
It is such a crazy idea it might just work.
Millions of abortions since 1973, and we are still plagued with the stupid.
I agree with the logic, but you forgot one important liberal premise: Liberalism is a surrogate religion in and of itself. This is why Liberals are free to view themselves as morally superior no matter how much evidence to the contrary exists.
Knowing this does not, of course, undo the violation of religious conscience, and can in a twisted way (I learned to twist logic into these kinds of pretzels by watching liberals themselves) be said to violate the establishment clause of the 1st amendment. So any way you slice it, THEY ARE WRONG.
Damn…I never get tired of saying “they are wrong.” How about you folks?
Great illustration of the Obama administration’s “logic”. But I have to point out – the method of Natural Family Planning described in the article you linked is not the rhythm method. The rhythm method relies on counting the days from the start of one cycle to the next. It’s not very accurate and is considered extremely outdated by NFP users. The much more effective method described is the sympto-thermal method, which most NFP couples use some variation of, and which the Catholic Church recommends.
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, it had been a while since I took pre-Cana.
1. The government is not forcing or pushing women to choose birth control; rather, they are encouraging women to decide for themselves whether birth control is right for them.
2. The government is concerned that the church will preclude a woman’s right to choose for herself. And since the government believes that the church in general has the tendency to be dogmatically stubborn (i.e., determines what a woman can or cannot do) in regards to the issue of birth control, the government wants to make sure that there is no explicit or implicit interference from the church or religion regarding a woman’s right to decide on her own on whether to opt for birth control.
3. Unlike regular exercise and a good diet, I highly doubt that there is any strong empirical connection between longevity and health and attending church. At most, going to church might make people “feel good” about themselves. Unfortunately, wishful thinking won’t cure their cancer, heart disease or irritable bowels, much less live longer. Tangent: why should it matter anyway if they’ll be living eternally happy and healthy in the after life?
4. Your analogy only works if it is true that (a) health issues and longevity is the reason why people go to church, (b) the government is blind to freedom of choice and instead “pushes” women to choose birth control against their will, and (c) enforcing women to choose birth control will promote longevity and health. Since (a) – (c) is doubtful if not utterly false (and ridiculously absurd), it doesn’t follow that the government should enforce atheists or non-believers to go to church on the basis that it will promote longevity and health.
The Catholic Church opposes the death penalty.
The tax dollars of Catholics go to pay for the implementation of the death penalty.
Why isn’t this part of the “war on religion”?
probably because most conservatives support the death penalty.
See what I did there? I just “flipped your idiocy”
You’re welcome.
BZZT. Wrong.
Again, no one is trying to ban contraception. If those employees want it, they can pay for it. The issue here is that ObamaCare is mandating birth control be provided to the employees for FREE.
The church doesn’t pay taxes, so the CHURCH does not fund the death penalty.
Nice try, though. Seriously.
RB – you’re parsing and you know it.
*Catholics* pay taxes to support the death penalty, and yet the Catholic Church stays silent.
When Troy Davis, a man many consider to be wrongly convicted, was put to death in Georgia last September, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops — the group squawking about contraception — refused to speak out, even while some local Bishops did.
Nor do they criticize Rick Santorum, a Catholic who supports the death penalty in direct opposition to the Church’s stated position.
But again, the right doesn’t like to talk about this (nor view themselves as part of a “war on religion”) because they *like* the death penalty, and thus ignore its obvious conflict with the stated teaching of the Church.
PS: If you really think that independent voters are going to view the right’s handling of this issue and see it as being about Obamacare and not a wildly out of touch Church trying to roll back something that 98% of its followers practice, you’re kidding yourself.
Just like going into Michigan in the week GM posts huge profits and trying to tell the voters there that we should have let the auto companies go bankrupt, the GOP has no clue how to connect to regular people (apart from trying to scare them, which they do well). So keep on keeping on, my brothers on the right, you’re making the good guys’ job that much easier this November.
Hey JR,
If that is the case, then why don’t we see liberals demanding the death penalty for rapists? After all, they want to kill the baby, so there should be no issue with killing the rapist too.
Idiocy flipped.
I honestly tried to understand your point, but fluid started leaking out of my ear so I had to stop. Now I just need to go lie down.
Well the problem is that they do have a religion, it’s the High Church of Socialism, and Heaven help you if you stray from that path. They put their policy “faiths” in terms of Good vs. Evil, if you go against their orthidoxy by questioning those policies you’re immediately “Evil”. Therefore anything and everything is allowed to combat that “Evil”. All they see is that light, that beautiful light of their Utopia, tunnel-visioned to anything that could lead them from that light like fact, truth, or even the morality of harming others. It is Utopia after all.